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Francis Phillips's avatar

Feminists forget that some men long for children as much as their wives or girlfriends. Years ago an Oxford student had an affair with a young woman, who got pregnant. This was at an inconvenient time in her life and she wanted an abortion. The young man involved was desperate to save the baby's life and went to court, only to discover he had no legal rights at all.

However, the young woman finally agreed to give birth - on the condition he took total charge of and responsibility for the baby. He gladly accepted this condition and the baby flourished with him, especially when he later married happily, had more children and his oldest daughter took her place within the family.

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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

Yes I was a little hyperbolic and bombastic there...it came from annoyance at reading/listening to ten million pieces and podcasts about the fertility crisis from 98% men where they mostly act like it's either some big mystery or because feminism and women having careers and education is bad. But even just in the few months interim, a lot more women have joined the conversation.

To clarify, I don't at all think that most women don't want kids. I think probably about 90% eventually will. But I also think most don't want more than 2, and also most don't want them when they're very young (and neither do most men, btw, now that they're expected to participate and bear more of the burden of raising them). I'd say the most common desire is one boy and one girl (very notable how when you see a big family of 4 or 5 nowadays it's almost a certainty that the first several kids were all the same sex and clearly thevparents kept going in hopes of getting one of the other). Then you have a smaller portion who just want one, and another smaller portion who want 3+. But when you go to the one extreme where it's people who want 5 to infinity children...in that arena men are probably 20 to 1 (partly because it's so much easier to achieve that as a man, if one has the means, a la Elon Musk).

The other thing is that among the 10%ish minority of people who truly don't want kids, ever, those forums are about 95% women, so it's the total reverse of what I was seeing from people worrying about the "fertility crisis". Even though there are men in that category too, it doesn't usually cause them tons of angst and no one's pressuring them or criticizing them like they do with women.

Anyway, I appreciate you disagreeing and being critical of my essay while still being civil! 😊 That's the other thing you might've noticed, is that the critical commenters who felt the need to be really nasty about it were all men (not that that was a surprise). Women of course can be nasty in many contexts, but this topic isn't usually one of them...I find it's generally men who are the ones who get very angry about it, which is part of why it seems to be that amygdala/reptile brain firing up.

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